Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. N/A There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Like I said, Im doing repair work. It made me think of this, Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Its a shame, but whattayagonnado? God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? 33 Snakes! A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. I dont know what Daves intentions were. 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! Complete Guide to Christian Denominations: Understanding the History, Beliefs, and Differences by Ron Rhodes. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. If you went to a church camp where mixed bathing wasnt allowed and every evening there was a 3 hour sermon, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. I found this site while checking for deceptions in different denominations, starting with Mormons. Stil fit. Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). Same position regarding IFB belief 29. (Job 3:16; Psalm 51:5; 139:14-16; Isaiah 44:24; 49:1, 5; Jeremiah 1:5; 20:15-18; Luke 1:44), We believe that God has ordained and created all authority which consists of three basic institutions: (1) the home, (2) the church, and (3) the state. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. What an extensive list. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. Plus they pray to the saints. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. 36. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse than yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, my current pastor, at Balsam Street Christian Church, doesnt do any of the two as he doesnt use the pulpit to preach his sermons anyways. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! Abortion constitutes the unjustified, inexcusable taking of unborn human life. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. 24 Blind guides! you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. Jesus does that. And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. 16. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. Singing anything other than hymns is too liberal While I do favor hymns but I dont see anything wrong with contemporary music since I like a good mix of hymns and contemporary songs. 30. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 4. If you party, DO NOT drink. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. Israel was the prodical.. judah is the elder son that was jealous of israel.. Study The prodigal son and the two houses of Israel. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! Its not an Old Testament Law vs New Testament issue. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. LOL. Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. This is the first and great commandment. . I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. All I do is reply to comments. Im going back to my independent baptist church where there is no compromising. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Some of these doctrines are as listed. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Wherever there are people, there is sin. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. Gods will was for me to forgive. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. They said no mixed bathing. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/, https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament, http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. This is an assumption.. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. The establishment and continuance of local churches is clearly taught and defined in te New Testa ment Scriptures (Acts 14:27; 20:17, 28-32; I Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:5-11). Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. If you look down on people who are divorced, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 38. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. I will cut to the chase: my Pastor and his wife took a much needed vacation a few years ago. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. I dont post this to to attack you, nor defend Dave, rather to simply point out that perhaps both are not setting the best of examples? When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. Thanks for reading! The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. We believe in one Triune God, eternally existing in three personsFather, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal in being, co-identical in nature, co-equal in power and glory, and having the same attributes and perfections (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14). 19 How blind! Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). I know the answers now. Only God decides who goes to heaven and who doesnt. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. (2 Cor. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. 53. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati Wow! Some of these are humorous and right on the money. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. People are people and free to choose their own way. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. They bought your loyalty. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? If you believe that the IFB isnt a denomination because they are Independent, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 37. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. We reject all cooperation with this movement. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. Why wouldnt I stand up for something I believe in? I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. Landlord Cody Johnson later agreed not to evict Stedfast Baptist from the Watauga location after communicating with Stedfast's lawyer.[15][16]. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Do you realize this was written as humorous piece ? Then you have churches with no standards . Well I am a little confused. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. The two are completely unrelated. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Dont throw your pearls to pigs! THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. 8. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) 13. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Did you read it? Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Mind your own business. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! 1. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. I dont believe my husband was the only one hurting the relationship. BUT, there is good news! Wow. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. If you run into a church member at the grocery store and see that they have a bottle of wine or maybe a 6-pack of beer in their cart and you struggle over whether you should share this information with your pastor, you might be and independent fundamental Baptist! If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. It took exposure to more mature Christians (who were not not IFB!) 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. This is very good. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. Independent Fundamental Baptists are one of the most legalistic Christian groups/. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. XII. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Correction is my discernment. 35. I wish you had broken up your last paragraph into multiple paragraph everything runs together. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. Anybody who opposes the IFB teaching is bitter Cant say that because anybody who opposes BIBLICAL teaching is spiritually blind because they dont know the truth. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. 15. 55. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. [1], New IFB churches have caused controversy on several occasions, because of their opposition to homosexuality. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Some true, some not so much. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. 26 You blind Pharisee! The ones that do apply, I dont see a problem with (ie, we do have a track rack and we do have a van that picks up from surrounding neighborhoods and I do enjoy attending church 3 times a week and would enjoy more if possible.) So spontaneous but like it was planned. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. I wanted to marry my boyfriend, but I want to fix him first. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 1. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) Read Matthew 23 for more information. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. 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